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<noinclude>{{T0|{{Img|Climate.png}}</noinclude>If you can't answer/address these points, then you're not up for a fact based discussion, and if you could, you'd win the Nobel prize:
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* Historically, CO2 does not correlate well with the climate at all (despite what Al Gore tells you).  
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* Historically, CO2 never '''caused''' warming: warming causes the oceans to release CO2. This may magnify warming, but it has never caused it. Why not?
* CO2 has never caused any global warming (that we can tell) in the historical record. None.  
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* If CO2 caused warming, then why did the earth have ice ages (or cool down) when we've had up to 20x today's CO2 levels? (8,000 ppm)
* Historically, warming causes the oceans to release more CO2, and then we saw CO2 rise as a result of the other warming.  
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* CO2 has averaged over twice current levels for the last 3M years, and it's only gone up a 30% over the last 200 years.
* Some speculate that the CO2 released from this warming magnified the warming that was happening, but that doesn't explain why we cooled down again (even with higher CO2 levels).
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* Most of the CO2 and Temperature rise in the last 200 years was from '''BEFORE''' 1950's (when Man started putting out significant amounts of CO2).
* Remember, we had ice ages with 7,000 or 8,000 ppm of CO2, and for the last few million years the average CO2 level has been over 1,000 ppm (twice the current levels).  
 
* We’ve gone up from 300-400 PPM in the last 200 years -- however, half of that happened before man contributed much to the CO2 cycle at all (beginning around 1950 when man first crossed the 1 gigaton/year level), and much of the rest was due to the Oceans releasing CO2.  
 
 
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* We’ve gone up from 300-400 PPM in the last 200 years -- however, half of that happened before man contributed much to the CO2 cycle at all (beginning around 1950 when man first crossed the 1 gigaton/year level), and much of the rest was due to the Oceans releasing CO2.
 
* Whether more is being captured than lost (and how much) is still in continuous debate, We aren't sure if there are positive or negative feedbacks. All we know is that the IPCC climate models are broken (we've fallen off the bottom of projections, and they failed and their predictions): the debate is over how wrong they are.  
 
* Whether more is being captured than lost (and how much) is still in continuous debate, We aren't sure if there are positive or negative feedbacks. All we know is that the IPCC climate models are broken (we've fallen off the bottom of projections, and they failed and their predictions): the debate is over how wrong they are.  
 
* People get confused here. Why isn't CO2 causes warming proven? They think CO2 causing our warming is a fact. Well, CO2 does catch wavelengths of light, and that's "warming", so that part is known and is what most scientists are asked about ("Q: does CO2 cause warming? A: Yes"). But there are many other things at play that cause cooling. Some other factors are:  
 
* People get confused here. Why isn't CO2 causes warming proven? They think CO2 causing our warming is a fact. Well, CO2 does catch wavelengths of light, and that's "warming", so that part is known and is what most scientists are asked about ("Q: does CO2 cause warming? A: Yes"). But there are many other things at play that cause cooling. Some other factors are:  
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** CO2 converts light to heat (in the upper atmosphere) -- but if it didn't, most would get down into the lower/denser atmosphere where it's captured by water vapor and the the ground anyways. Even the biggest alarmist admit that a doubling of CO2 is at MOST worth 1-3° of warming (not very much), and that's based on the flawed simplification that is the IPCC models.
 
** CO2 converts light to heat (in the upper atmosphere) -- but if it didn't, most would get down into the lower/denser atmosphere where it's captured by water vapor and the the ground anyways. Even the biggest alarmist admit that a doubling of CO2 is at MOST worth 1-3° of warming (not very much), and that's based on the flawed simplification that is the IPCC models.
  
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CO2 is causing the climate to warm, we’re near a tipping point: 97% of scientists say so. And the earth is doomed if we don’t accept carbon taxes, green energy and stop using fossil fuels immediately. The [[2019.02.07 Green New Deal|Green New Deal]] would be our salvation. Even free speech shouldn't apply to Climate change deniers, with efforts to arrest those scientists and pundits that disagree with the newspeak
 
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The climate is changing because it’s always changing, the models are inconclusive. Science isn’t consensus and the [[Climate Consensus|studies that claim consensus are junk-science]]. Since the climate models are undeniably broken, and CO2 has been proven not to be as much of a forcing factor as expected, we’re near an all time low in global temperature, warming has historically been good for humanity, and [[Climate Quotes|those screaming the loudest have a history of being wrong]]. We need to study more before overreacting: and fossil fuels have done more to decrease pollution than to harm us. And [[List of Climate Skeptics|many famous scientists think this stuff is overblown]]. You don't win scientific arguments through suppression of facts/arguments you don't like.
 
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* [[Climate History]] - the left uses scare tactics to try to convince people to panic and empower the government to control their lives (watermelon environmentalism like the Green New Deal). But all their [[Climate Quotes|predictions of doom and gloom have been wrong in the past]]. So it's a bit naive to think that this time they're right (and not overstating it).
 
 
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Latest revision as of 08:35, 6 October 2019

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CO2 and Climate are not well correlated. And we're at historical lows for both.
If you can't answer/address these points, then you're not up for a fact based discussion, and if you could, you'd win the Nobel prize:
  • Historically, CO2 does not correlate well with the climate at all (despite what Al Gore tells you).
  • Historically, CO2 never caused warming: warming causes the oceans to release CO2. This may magnify warming, but it has never caused it. Why not?
  • If CO2 caused warming, then why did the earth have ice ages (or cool down) when we've had up to 20x today's CO2 levels? (8,000 ppm)
  • CO2 has averaged over twice current levels for the last 3M years, and it's only gone up a 30% over the last 200 years.
  • Most of the CO2 and Temperature rise in the last 200 years was from BEFORE 1950's (when Man started putting out significant amounts of CO2).


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  • We’ve gone up from 300-400 PPM in the last 200 years -- however, half of that happened before man contributed much to the CO2 cycle at all (beginning around 1950 when man first crossed the 1 gigaton/year level), and much of the rest was due to the Oceans releasing CO2.
  • Whether more is being captured than lost (and how much) is still in continuous debate, We aren't sure if there are positive or negative feedbacks. All we know is that the IPCC climate models are broken (we've fallen off the bottom of projections, and they failed and their predictions): the debate is over how wrong they are.
  • People get confused here. Why isn't CO2 causes warming proven? They think CO2 causing our warming is a fact. Well, CO2 does catch wavelengths of light, and that's "warming", so that part is known and is what most scientists are asked about ("Q: does CO2 cause warming? A: Yes"). But there are many other things at play that cause cooling. Some other factors are:
    • As the climate warms, we release more water vapor: which becomes clouds, which reflect light (albedo effect), resulting in cooling, and it causes more rain (which scrubs more CO2 out of the air)
    • CO2 stimulates more plants, which absorb more CO2 (especially algae's), which sequesters CO2
    • CO2 converts light to heat (in the upper atmosphere) -- but if it didn't, most would get down into the lower/denser atmosphere where it's captured by water vapor and the the ground anyways. Even the biggest alarmist admit that a doubling of CO2 is at MOST worth 1-3° of warming (not very much), and that's based on the flawed simplification that is the IPCC models.