Cagegate

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Does America break up families, keep kids in cages, and abuse illegal immigrants? Obviously, not enough or there would be far fewer illegal immigrants. (They're far more looped into the risks than the average Joe). The facts are this is rare, temporary, this has been done forever (and under the Obama and Clinton administrations), and the idea that criminals shouldn't be separated from their kids is absurd. Under the Democrats reasoning, for domestic crime, it is fine to separate families. But for foreign invaders and perpetrators should get special exceptions. But a nation without laws is no longer a nation.

History

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In 1997, the federal government made an agreement in a case called the Flores Settlement (part of the Reno v. Flores case), not to keep unaccompanied illegal immigrant children in custody beyond twenty days. This got extended to accompanied minors by the 9th circuit, which ruled that the government either had to release whole families, or that the government had to separate parents from children. [1].

  1. Immigrants who come to points of entry and seek asylum aren’t arrested: they’re processed through ICE, and their children stay with them.
  2. Only illegal immigrants who cross the border illegally (and don't declare asylum until after they are caught) are treated as criminals.
  3. Even there, if they choose deportation, they aren’t separated from their kids....
  4. Only if they choose to apply for asylum (after getting caught illegally entering the country), AND they stay in the country longer than 20 days, then their kids have to be removed because of the 9th circuit ruling.
  5. And why would they be here longer than 20 days? Because most asylum claims are fraudulent... and if you lie during the asylum interview (under oath), then that lie is a felony offense. But it can take a while to investigate. Since they will be in jail for a year or more, keeping children with them is simply not an option.
    • There's a real irony that Democrats have a huge problem with George Papadopoulos supposedly lying under oath (by making a minor and irrelevant mistake), yet have no problem when foreign nationals lying in clear violation of federal law (and commit a felony for personal benefit). Double standards much?
  6. Things haven't gotten worse under Obama, they peaked in 2014, when Democrats were waiving their hands and saying, "nothing to see here, go away". The facts are there are waves. The wave under an open-border administration is bigger than under someone claiming you will be arrested and deported.
  7. The one thing that happened was Stephen Miller and John Kelly got quoted/misquoted as saying, "that the administration was separating kids from parents as a sort of deterrent". Whether those were the exact words, or just the words the media put in their mouth, anyone with a lick of sense knows that the deterrent is the arrest and deportation, not separating children from parents. But either way, an executive that doesn't enforce the law on the books, is not following his Constitutional Oath. Which is something Obama and Clinton did happily, but Trump has more ethics.

FakeNews

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  • The viral image of immigrants from the Obama-era falsely attributed to the Trump administration, a photo of a child immigrant locked in a cage spread around by immigration activists has turned out to be yet more fake news: it was a staged photo from a pro-Immigrant / Anti-American group.
  • There was another photo from 2014 (Obama era), where there was a short term overflow: but the kids were cared for (not neglected), even if the optics seem bad. And this was not Trump era invention as many misreported.
  • John Favreau ranted about how aweful this was.... then when he found out his photo was during Obama's term, he apologized for his polemic dishonesty by claiming ignorance... then doubled down in claiming that Trump is worse, without any evidence or explanation as to why. Clueless Obama lackey's are not known for their honesty, or wits. Then Mr. Paste-eater went and defended Peter Strzok saying that he sounded like all the far left trolls he knows.... which undermined his own argument (that there was no taint/bias). [2]
  • Of course the army of leftist trolls jumped on board, Linda Sarsour, CNN’s Hadas Gold, Jake Silverstein of the New York Times, and other nitwits posing as journalists, all raged against this as well. The fact that it was wrong isn't as important as their feelings.
  • Daily Caller writer/polemic Antonio Arellano implied that he had pictures of a Trump administration prison bus for toddlers, to take them away. (Maximum outrage). Only it was actually used to take the kids whose relatives hadn't come to get them, on field trips... and it was from 2016 and the Obama era (not Trump).
  • John Cusack ranted about Trump, the evil fascist for doing this.... without ever checking the facts.
  • DNC politicians like Merkley spread lied about Trump administration and what was going on. He faked trying to get into a facility and getting turned away (a facility he was allowed access to). It just turns out access doesn't mean you get to walk with a camera crew and no warning for security reasons. (Facts he omitted from his reporting, just like the Obama era origins, and other misleading falsehoods).
  • The truth is the Feds pay $670/day to make sure the kids are well cared for. That's more than a room at the Ritz in many cities. And they're living a far better standard of living that 13M American children, and likely better than they had where they left, so stop with the "torturing" kids, or concentration camp bullshit. Anyone that says that proves they're either an ignorant rube, or a dishonest polemic. [3].
  • ABC and NBC both blame Trump for the Obama Era program, the very definition of FakeNews. And they went on and on, like ABC misreporting that when Trump said, "We're sending them the hell back!" (referring to MS-13 and criminal aliens), that he was implying these Children and their Parents.
  • MSNBC played both sides, visiting a Texas detention facility that debunked their claims of caged heat (the facility was nice)... but they also falsely implied this was a new Trump admin policy. Then Morning Joe implies there are American Concentration camps, and they doubled down on that concentration camp rhetoric, and went on to imply, "your kids could be next". (Assuming you're illegally using human traffickers to smuggle your kids into the country). Those happened after and knowing full well that their own channel debunked those very claims, unless you think their fact checkers are too stupid to check their own channels reporting. Then to cap it off, John Heilemann gleefully explained on their show how “we” (the Press and Democrats: his words), "have a great opportunity to bludgeon President Trump and the GOP", with the faux crisis at the border. Leaking what this is, just the #resist movement, lying to their gullible base.
  • The Associated Press claimed that illegal immigrant children at a detention center in Virginia had been subjected to horrible abuse.... and named Trump four times, and didn't mention Obama. When had the abuse happened? From 2015 on (starting 2 years before Trump was in office). The disinformation went viral to ignorant lefties. They did a newer version of the article that wasn't quite as bad, but never corrected the original, or referenced their initial mistake, or public apology. So the left gets dumber by reading the AP.
  • The media implied that Trump had separated a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome from her mother as part of this policy. And more igno-liberals were outraged. Of course it turns out the daughter had been separated from her mother because she was a material witness to a smuggling crime, and had nothing to do with Trump policy.
  • It's not just those exceptionally bad outlets, most of the media is regurgitating the lies to their audiences. (I heard NPR repeating a dozen lies). [4]
  • But if you actually see inside these facilities, they're not inhumane in the slightest: they're bureaucratic temporary housing, with well intentioned staff, in a system that can occasionally be overrun in short waves. [5]
  • Oh, and those "unaccompanied minor" kids being separated from their parents? At least some of them are violent 17 year olds that are part of MS-13. Playing up the innocent infant ripped from his mothers breast is called disinformation and propaganda. This system is a hell of a lot more complex than the poor innocent children that the Democrats use as human shields to hide behind (politically).

Fake FactCheckers

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The illiberal "FactCheckers" all lined up to muddy the waters, and declare the truth as "mostly false". Hey, when the facts aren't on your side, divert their attention to something else, and argue that.

  • An incredibly poorly written Snopes article declares it mostly false that Parents/Kids need to be separated, then admits "DHS could detain unaccompanied children captured at the border for only 20 days before releasing them to foster families, shelters or sponsors".... Which is the Trump administrations point.[6]
  • PolitFacts is also equally muddled. They admit that what Ted Cruz said is correct (that they can't keep kids with adults in prison after 20 days). But PF's way to pretend Cruz is wrong, is to claim, but they don't have to separate them "on the border", they could do it later. Yes, because keeping kids with adult felons (like human traffickers) carries no legal liability if they get raped and abused, right. Anyone with a triple digit IQ, can see the impracticality of that.[7]
  • FactCheck was equally poorly written (it's funny how when Liberal outlets want to oppose conservatives, they admit the salient points are correct, then do gymnastics and obfuscate the points, to try to find something they can disagree with). Their spin is that "catch and release" wasn't a law, it was a policy that was treated like law (big fucking difference). Then they still admit that the Flores Settlement exists and you have to release kids before 20 days. Their excuse for why this is wrong, is they claim he could release the parents under the promise that they'd come back, even though in over 90% of cases they were disappearing in the past (even if that's a complete violation of the spirit of the law). So it was not a legally viable option, but the law never gets in the way of the left's best intentions. [8]
  • New York Times admits that Flores Settlement requires the same thing. Their excuse why the administration is wrong is because, "without the Trump administration’s new enforcement policy, the Flores settlement — and subsequent rulings clarifying its scope — alone would not have caused family separation at the border", implying that the families could be kept together for 20 days, not separated immediately. Which is kind of a distinction without a difference -- as that means housing minors with people who we can't prove are their their parents, and with many adults that are likely felons, cartel employees, coyotes and so on. Does that sound like a good idea to you? Really? [9]

The Times story accidentally summed it up (but still left lies of omission), by saying, "Under Flores, the government has three options: releasing families together, passing a law that would allow for family detention, or breaking up the families. The Trump administration has so far chosen the third option." The omission part is:

  1. Their partisan imagination is that the Trump administration could do what Clinton/Obama did during part of their terms, which is release the kids and Parents under the promise that they'd show up for their court date. But we know that historically had 90% non-compliance, which is why the policy was changed. And releasing potential felons into the wild hasn't done good things for the perception of immigrants.
  2. Trump administration has tried to fix the law, but so far Schumer and others oppose fixing the problem (because then Democrats couldn't use kids as human shields and campaign on how evil the other side is for enforcing the law). So that's not really an option for the past, just a potential work-around in the future. (Which they're trying, and have been for over a year with DACA). Omitting that context is dishonest.
  3. And if you going to arrest the parents for the crimes they're caught committing, then you can't keep the kids with them. As required by Flores, which is the point all along.

So the administration is doing the only thing that complies with the law that isn't releasing suspects into America to disappear (catch and release). The far left fact checkers are being a bit disengenuous. And people that regurgitate them are either clueless or dishonest polemics.

Democrats did this

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So this wasn't a Trump administration invention.... those claiming this is a Trump policy, or new, are either fools or liars. This was the consequences of Democrats refusing to do more for border protection, and the 9th Circuit tying the hands of the INS. But remember, if Democrats had done what they promised in 1987 (and many times since), and helped seal the border, instead of obstructing those efforts, then this would be a non-fight, and kids would not be getting separated from their families. Of course most Democrats are biologically incapable of admitting truths or mistakes by their side, so this will only piss them off (like most facts do). But if you care about the facts, you repeat them, even when they're unpopular.

America can not take the influx of people that would come here if they could. Period. Fact. The only question is should we reward illegal line-jumping (the Democrats plan), or should we reward those that follow the rules by making those cutting in line, wait their turn at least (the Republicans plan)? That's fundamentally what this fight is about. That and short versus long term thinking. Should we be compassionate in the short term or long term. (Help kids now, and get more of them crossing the border and being exploited. Or enforcing our border laws, discouraging illegal coyote's and human trafficking). It helps to remember the basics:

  • The gross majority of the policies and laws we have today were passed by Democrats, for Democrats, and to appease their Union allies. Democrats want to created large centralized bureaucracies and quotas, and make it hard to get in legally.... then they also want to reward people that subvert those laws and processes.
  • Obama's proposed amnesty, signals with sanctuary cities, DACA, and policies regarding "catch and release" (all kids that come here can be released to any that ask, as long as they promise to come back for a court date -- with 80-90%+ being non-compliant) all magnified the problem and increased our illegal alien population by 2.5 million during his term.
  • Illegal entries are up 160% YoY because of the lure of DACA and immigration reform -- and according to CBP (Customs and Border Protection), DACA was first announced, from 2012-2014 this caused an upsurge of 200% in illegal entries. And according to HHS, since 2012 the number of unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants has over tripled (from 13,000 to 41,000/year).
  • The vast majority of kids that are in the facilities are unaccompanied minors (meaning they were separated from their families before coming here, not afterwards).
  • Homeland Security Chief Kirstjen Nielsen, explained scale and scope, "since 1975 the U.S. has let in 3 Million Refugees, and each year accepts nearly 2/3rd of all settles refugees in the entire world. More than the rest of the world combined." So any country that criticizes us, is doing less than we are. (Most even adjusted for population).

The reason Trump has to address this, is because of the failure of Democrats policies. And there's a reason that no democrat has offered a solution for this problem: because they don't have any, they want to distract with sob stories. But I ask them things like, "Do you think illegals are stupid? Y/N". If Y, then you're probably racist. If N, then you know they're smart enough to exploit holes in the system. And there's no doubt putting an exception that says, "here's the immigration laws, unless you bring in kids"... would be a glaring hole that would be exploited. In fact it was being exploited, widely. And catch-and-release was resulting in millions disappearing in our border, and breaking the law.

You can't have an immigration law that says "unless you bring in kids".... that would be exactly as stupid as saying, "rape is against the law, unless you make your kids watch". If it's not good enough to be against the law, then fix the law. If it is against the law, then it's against the law, whether your kids are with you or not.

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Time Magazine never ran a cover article complaining about immigrant abuse during Obama, when this was happening more widely. But since Trump: apoplexy. They ran a FakeNews picture on their cover (and worse article) with Trump looking down callously on a girl that was crying and being separated from her mother. Of course the whole thing is a journalistic lie: it was a chopped up photo (Trump was not looking at the girl, the girl was not being separated from her mom, and the article was littered with half-truths at best). Things like how Trump was instilling a new policy (that has been around since 1997 and before, off and on), to separate kids from their parents as the law requires (only it doesn't unless they're breaking the law), and that had been fixed by an exec order long before the Time Article went to print. But other than that.

The actual photo was of a criminal Honduran mom, who had paid $6,000 a human traffickers to illegally help her kidnap her daughter (take the husbands daughter against his will) and smuggle them both into America, after the Mom had abandoned her husband and 3 of her remaining children. Also after she had already been deported once before (2013) for illegally entering the country. Time didn't feel any of those facts were worthy of adding to their fictional propaganda piece. Oh and the little girl was not crying because she was being "ripped from her mother's arms," as they implied, she was crying because she was a tired and thirsty 2 year old, fatigued because of the life risking journey she had been dragged on, by a mom that had been lured into taking the journey based on her assumption that the failed Obama's "catch-and-release" policy was still in place. (Catch and release was Obama's policy where illegal aliens and other felons, caught breaking the law, were let go anyways, on the promise that they would show up later. Even though, virtually none ever did. Instead many went on to join gangs like MS-13, and murder and rape people).

Of course human dingleberries (Hollywood Celebrities), like J-Lo went on to rage about how bad this was, long after it had been corrected, because the liberal outrage machine had told her to "Follow the Leader", so she did... without thinking, or fact checking. And of course it was a British Paper (DailyMail) that broke the story about how Time got it wrong. The crack journalists at NYT or WaPo and other anti-American outlets weren't interested in this blatant journalistic abuse of public trust, or what the truth actually was. [10] But other than getting the story completely wrong, and being corrected by her father, Honduran Government and U.S. officials on a completely dishonest and fictitious picture, when caught, Time tried to make excuses and distractions for their erroneous leftist propaganda, and imply that while the picture was bullshit, that was OK because it captured the spirit of the situation, assuming you are an ignorant, over-emotional, far-lefty that had no clue as to what was actually going on, or why. (In other words, their editorial staff and audience). The only they they got right was the "Welcome to America" headline -- where the rules are made up, and the facts don't matter.... to journalists. When far-left USA Today corrects you, and calls it a "lie" or a "trick", you know you've gone out there. Of course USA Today, didn't offer their readers the context of other outlets like the USA Today, NYT or WaPo spinning it the same way, or that might qualify them for honest journalism. But baby steps, admitting that your side made a mistake, is a big one for USA Today.


Conclusion

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In the end, the real question is do you agree that there should be consequences for breaking the law? Y/N

  • If N, then you're an idiot that can be discounted, because a country without laws is not a country anyone wants to live in.
  • If Y, then keeping kids separate from potential felons in an adult prison, is for their own safety and is common sense. And that's a small price to pay for people seeking asylum as long as the kids are cared for, and the process is reasonable.

In the end, this debate gets to the core differences between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats are the “Why can’t we only eat candy?”, kids in a candy-store party (as long as someone else is paying for the candy). They are demonstrating short-term thinking and vilifying any authority who dares to imply that punishing lawbreakers is better than the alternative. Republicans are being the long-term thinking Daddy party, and saying, "because it's bad for you" and trying to prevent more catastrophe and abuse of minorities, but that forces us to allow kids to be separated from their parents and vet which parents are honest, which families are real or not, and not reward everyone who users their kids as human shields to circumvent immigration law... exactly like happened under Democrat administrations, when no Democrats seemed to care about this issue.

If you want to argue about whether the kids are being properly cared for, or whether the process is fast enough? Fine. Make that case, and I might agree with you. But that's not the argument most are making. They're arguing that a nation should have no right to imprison lawbreakers, or protect kids by not locking them up with their felon parents (and whoever was netted with them). And that's just stupid and racist. It pretends that illegal immigrants are too stupid to use kids as pawns (just like the Democrats do), but evidence shows they already are. [11] Democrats are either too stupid to understand that they are, or they're dishonest and using them as pawns to get what they want without admitting it: open borders. Face it, if the Democrats cared, they would have addressed this when they had super-majorities in all the houses back in 2009... instead this problem grew under Obama, and they were silent. The facilities being used are the same facilities Obama used (and the Democrats had no problem with), only they're less crowded and better managed now. It only became an issue when Republicans took the Presidency.

The legislature can fix this law at any time. The Democrats have been obstructing those chances: cries of Holocaust or Internment camps and other absurdities, can't help. They can only polarize the informed against the Democrats, and those lies can only work against fixing the solution. Which is likely what the Democrats want. They want a campaign issue for 2018, and lies pretending this is a new problem, Trump's fault, and other exaggerations is their ways to exploit children as political pawns to win an election. If the Democrats really cared, they wouldn't throw out all this invective, they'd come to the table and negotiate something that Republicans would happily fix. Instead Schumer and Pelosi are blocking offers to resolve it (they want to make it hard to fix). If the Democrats worked to fix it, they couldn't get elected by finger-pointing and blaming the Republicans for the problem.


References

  1. Reno v. Flores:
  2. https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/06/14/oops-jon-favreau-defended-strzok-pages-anti-trump-texts-so-hard-he-accidentally-nuked-his-own-position/
  3. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/16/child-border-crossers-have-higher-standard-of-living-than-13m-impoverished-american-children/
  4. Media Lies: https://www.dailywire.com/news/31979/media-are-lying-about-trump-separating-illegal-ben-shapiro
  5. Inside the facilities:
  6. Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
  7. PolitiFact: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2018/jun/18/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-child-parent-separations-border-tied/
  8. FactCheck: https://www.factcheck.org/2018/04/factchecking-trumps-immigration-tweets/
  9. NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/fact-check-republicans-family-separations-border.html
  10. Time:
  11. Kids as pawns: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/29/dhs-pose-as-family-units-children/

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Written: 2018.06.01 • Edited: 2018.06.18