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<includeonly>[[Image:curiel.jpg| 96px|right|]]Context matters. While in a fraudulent lawsuit over Trump University, against a law-firm whose principals maxed out their donations to Hillary Clinton, and paid the Clinton’s hundreds of thousands more in speaking fees, Trump's lawyers proved a point that should have ended the case right there. But an Obama Appointed Judge (Gonzalo Curiel), who is involved with many latino advocacy groups/causes, and was involved with the opposing lawyer in the past, refused to recuse himself. Then decided the lawsuit should go-on anyways. Trump's lawyers are livid over the, "manifest disregard for the law", and Trump is later forced to settle (to eliminate the campaign distraction). While this is still ongoing, Trump was asked about it by Jake Tapper (CNN), and Trump mentioned the judges latino/background as possible motivation for the bias, and the left goes nuts. To the left, your heritage has nothing to do with it... unless it was Obama lawyers arguing against Judge A. Ashley Tabaddor (and they forced her to recuse herself from all Iranian immigration cases, because she was Iranian), or when Obama and the left are using race as an excuse for ignoring questionable rulings of Sonia Sotomayor. Back then they argued that of course heritage / cultural bias exists, but it is necessary to get that balance on the Supreme Court. So once again the left wants to play it both ways -- when their side is saying there's cultural bias, it's fine -- but when the other side does it for more cause, why it's racism.</includeonly><noinclude>[[Image: curiel.jpg| 240px|right]]Context matters, and there was a lot of context before  Trump calling a Judge's objectivity into question.  
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<includeonly>[[Image:curiel.jpg| 96px|right|]]Context matters. While in a fraudulent lawsuit over Trump University, against a law-firm whose principals maxed out their donations to Hillary Clinton, and paid the Clinton’s hundreds of thousands more in speaking fees, Trump's lawyers proved a point that should have ended the case right there. But an Obama Appointed Judge (Gonzalo Curiel), who is involved with many latino advocacy groups/causes, and was involved with the opposing lawyer in the past, refused to recuse himself. Then decided the lawsuit should go-on anyways. Trump's lawyers are livid over the, "manifest disregard for the law", and Trump is later forced to settle (to eliminate the campaign distraction). While this is still ongoing, Trump was asked about it by Jake Tapper (CNN), and Trump mentioned the judges latino/background as possible motivation for the bias, and the left goes nuts. To the left, your heritage has nothing to do with it... unless it was Obama lawyers arguing against Judge A. Ashley Tabaddor (and they forced her to recuse herself from all Iranian immigration cases, because she was Iranian), or when Obama and the left are using race as an excuse for ignoring questionable rulings of Sonia Sotomayor. Back then they argued that of course heritage / cultural bias exists, but it is necessary to get that balance on the Supreme Court. So once again the left wants to play it both ways -- when their side is saying there's cultural bias, it's fine -- but when the other side does it for more cause, why it's racism.</includeonly><noinclude>[[Image: curiel.jpg| 320px|right]]Context matters, and there was a lot of context before  Trump calling a Judge's objectivity into question.  
 
* Donald Trump is in a lawsuit (Cohen v. Trump), where he is accused of fraud for calling his real-estate seminars a "University", and that it wasn't worth the money, by a law-firm whose principal's maxed out their donation to Hillary Clinton, and paid the Clinton’s hundreds of thousands more in speaking fees.
 
* Donald Trump is in a lawsuit (Cohen v. Trump), where he is accused of fraud for calling his real-estate seminars a "University", and that it wasn't worth the money, by a law-firm whose principal's maxed out their donation to Hillary Clinton, and paid the Clinton’s hundreds of thousands more in speaking fees.
 
* Trump's lawyers showed that of the named plaintiff (Tarla Makaeff), and the other key witnesses named in the lawsuit, had given glowing exit recommendations, and even testimonials on video tape, of the value of the education they received, as had over 98% of the customers, in contradiction to the case's key points. 4 of the 6 charges were immediately thrown out, and the plaintiffs' lawyers filed a motion to remove their key named plaintiff immediately .Trumps' lawyers thought that should end the case right there: the only significant charge left was a minor licensing issue (the kind usually handled in arbitration), and thus the case was no longer a federal RICO case. Done. They thus asked that the case should be dropped (for summary judgement), but the Judge (Gonzalo Curiel) decides the lawsuit should go-on anyways.
 
* Trump's lawyers showed that of the named plaintiff (Tarla Makaeff), and the other key witnesses named in the lawsuit, had given glowing exit recommendations, and even testimonials on video tape, of the value of the education they received, as had over 98% of the customers, in contradiction to the case's key points. 4 of the 6 charges were immediately thrown out, and the plaintiffs' lawyers filed a motion to remove their key named plaintiff immediately .Trumps' lawyers thought that should end the case right there: the only significant charge left was a minor licensing issue (the kind usually handled in arbitration), and thus the case was no longer a federal RICO case. Done. They thus asked that the case should be dropped (for summary judgement), but the Judge (Gonzalo Curiel) decides the lawsuit should go-on anyways.

Revision as of 22:38, 16 July 2019

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Context matters, and there was a lot of context before Trump calling a Judge's objectivity into question.

  • Donald Trump is in a lawsuit (Cohen v. Trump), where he is accused of fraud for calling his real-estate seminars a "University", and that it wasn't worth the money, by a law-firm whose principal's maxed out their donation to Hillary Clinton, and paid the Clinton’s hundreds of thousands more in speaking fees.
  • Trump's lawyers showed that of the named plaintiff (Tarla Makaeff), and the other key witnesses named in the lawsuit, had given glowing exit recommendations, and even testimonials on video tape, of the value of the education they received, as had over 98% of the customers, in contradiction to the case's key points. 4 of the 6 charges were immediately thrown out, and the plaintiffs' lawyers filed a motion to remove their key named plaintiff immediately .Trumps' lawyers thought that should end the case right there: the only significant charge left was a minor licensing issue (the kind usually handled in arbitration), and thus the case was no longer a federal RICO case. Done. They thus asked that the case should be dropped (for summary judgement), but the Judge (Gonzalo Curiel) decides the lawsuit should go-on anyways.
  • Trump's and his lawyers are livid, they claimed the Judge to recuse himself for bias, and showing a "manifest disregard for the law", they point out that Curiel is an Obama Appointee, involved with a latino advocacy group called La Raza Lawyers Association, and was involved with the opposing lawyer in the past.
  • When Trump is asked about the case by Jake Tapper on CNN, he mentions a lot of this, and points out that Curiel is offering questionable rulings, and thus feels the Judges Latino heritage (and dislike for Trumps' politics: e.g. The Wall), is biasing him.

At this point the left goes nuts and accuses Trump of being a racist for implying that the Judge is biased because his parents were Mexican. But they're lying (omitting): the full context is it wasn't about him being Mexican/Latino, it was about him offering what Trumps' Lawyers thought was an unfair ruling AND being a Mexican Activists, AND Obama appointee, AND knowing the AG (key lawyer on the other side). Most of those things are slight exaggerations, but that’s how they perceived it, and they were responding with THAT context.

But let's use our brains:

  1. Mexican is not a race -- so even if it was an attack on Mexicans, that's not racism.
  2. Attacking a judge for bias because of his behavior and associations, is not the same as saying all of a certain race is inferior (what racism means). This was a personal attack on the Judge for his bias based on Latino Heritage, not saying the judge was unqualified because he was Mexican
  3. The NYT admits that Trump had done many personal attacks on Judges that didn't rule his way before (and they were white), so this wasn't unique to just Mexican Judges (not racism)
  4. The democrats are flip-flopping on whether cultural identity matters, as they’ve always said it did in the past, and that’s why we needed tokens of various races, religions, genders and sexual preferences managed by bureaucratic quotas.

Q: But isn’t it racism to say a Judge wouldn't be able to do their job, or would do a different job, because of their race?
A: Well if that's the case then what can you say about identity politics and we should put Women or Latinos (or both) on the Supreme Court because of their identity (and that will give rulings different biases)?

Look no further than the words of Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor who herself suggested that her latino heritage played a role in her decision making:[1]

❝ I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life. Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. ❞

Sotomayor was called controversial for these claims at the time of her appointment (by conservatives), and leftist rabidly defended her, claiming it was her biases of gender and ethnicity that uniquely qualified her for the job. If identity doesn’t matter, then their whole affirmative action being needed diversity arguments fall on their face — so democrats have always argued that “of course, it matters!” So the left is trying to have it both ways. Race/Culture/Gender make a difference in judges when it suits them. But if you point out that the judge may be biased by their race/culture/gender/causes, why that makes you a sexist/racist pig?

And don't think she's alone in self identifying bias, Ol' Barry Sorrento (aka Barack Obama) did the same thing. In 2015, immigration Judge A. Ashley Tabaddor sued Obama's Department of Justice after they forced her to recuse herself from “all immigration cases involving Iranians”, because she was Iranian.

Conclusion

A lot of this was probably created by Trump and his lawyers confusing the La Raza Lawyers Association (a latino scholarship) with the National Council of La Raza (a radical latino advocacy group)[2], so they thought the Judge was more of an activist than he was. Still, that point that the judge belongs to a latino group and supports the point that he might not like Trumps politics. At worst, that shows that Trump is a loud-mouth buffoon that doesn't fact-check as well as he should have, but not that he's a racist.

And for those that go with the distraction of Trump University lawsuit that at least that case shows that Trump is corrupt for duping students, then that opens a real quagmire for the Clintons, because it turns out, they did the same thing only far worse. Bill Clinton endorsed Laureate University as their "honorary chancellor". They do on-line courses in the U.S. and latin America, and paid him $16.5 Million for the endorsements over the years, only now there's multiple class action lawsuits and claims of fraud, and failing to live up to standards. Isn't duping poor latin Americans more racist that duping rich real-estate investors in the U.S.?

In the end, there's a lot more evidence that Trump is sloppy with his bloviating than that he is a racist -- those attacking him are either ignorant of the most plausible explanation, or are intentionally deceiving the gullible by pretending this has anything to do with race and they know how he feels. Either way, their idiocy forces me to defend the truth against their falsehoods -- and I hate having to defend Donald Trump. But we have a choice, to live in a world where the truth matters more than the politically correct mistruths, or sign up to live in the Democrats alternate reality, where spin matters more than the facts. I'm still opting for the former, how about you?

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📚 References
  1. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor says ethnicity matters in rulings: http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/flashback-justice-sonia-sotomayor-says-ethnicity-14790189/
  2. Wrong La Raza: http://www.nclr.org


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